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Computer Literacy & Embroidery Center (baluchistan)
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M. Sajjad Haider



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Project under review by the Lahore Chapter
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M. Sajjad Haider



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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Further discussions have taken place with Mr Gichki regarding BAAM. The lahore chapter has passed this project through the initial phase one of evaluation.

As the project will require complte funding from the general pool. All ADP chapters are welcome to pose questions/queries regarding the project. Kindly submit your questions by Saturday 27th May so that project evaluation can be progressed further.

Attached are 3 more documents related to the project
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Justin Stone



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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Sajjad!

For me, some of the original sticking points are still problematic:

1. We need BAAM to define in what way, to what extent, and for how many project beneficiaries this training will qualify the boys and girls to pursue computer related employment.

2. We should have a better understanding of how the beneficiaries will be connected to employment opportunities after the training. How will boys and girls find computer related employment? How will girls derive increased income from the embroidery training? (And, how do we make these more ambitious goals measurable?)

3. What is the long-term outlook for the program?

Just a few quick thoughts to spur conversation.

~Justin
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M. Sajjad Haider



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin, some answers to your questions

1. The Baam Development Organization BDO will train 80 male students in basic IT computer training, such as Microsoft Office, Inpage etc. The trainers have already been selected and we will gain information about the trainers as well as the exact curriculum that will be used. Most of the people being trained are already working or teaching in the area. And this training will enhance thier skill levels.

2. We have spoken with NCHD reps in the area and the information that they have showed is indicative of new offices opening in the area and due to a number of govt development activities in the area there are plenty of jobs in offer. Though there is no formal method of linking the people to direct jobs by BDO but the trainees already have jobs and will find it easier to get better jobs. We are however, in the process of talking to online job sites such as Naukri and Rozi. We could make the project impact measurable by gauging job pays now and then six months after the training.

3. This is an initial project of just 160 people and there is currently no indication of how it may be extended in the future.

ayesha is the project chamion for the project and she has a few questions. some which i am listing below. she will add hers as well. if there are other queries, do let us know before next wednesday.

Are there any long term plans for the project?
How can we gauge measurability of the project?
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Justin Stone



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Sajjad. I don't really have any additional questions, but I get hung up on the ones above.

I still like the premise of the project, but would want to make sure we have strong metrics in place to gauge the impact on the participants (including the embroidery component).

My instinct is that they have a good idea and good intentions, but have not thought carefully enough about what comes next. Perhaps we can add value by making this a condition of funding...

I would hate to think that this training does not have practical applications and provides little or no long-term benefit to the participants.

~Justin
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Ayesha Ahsan Malik



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear all,
The following are the list of questions that we sent Mr. Gulzar:

1. In reference to the female training project, will your organization
be providing training females who are already working in the field or
will it focusing on few entrants?

2. Please send us detailed description of the program, giving the
number of classes per day, the number of students in each class, the
number of students per computer, the mode of teaching ( theoretical or
practical).

3. Also, provide us with detailed information about the curriculum,
which softwares will be taught and how many days will be allocated to
each program, what course material will be used?

4. Will you be charging the students a registration fee? Do you expect
the students to come back and teach in the center? How do you plan on
keeping the project running over the coming years?

5. Please provide us with the exact information about the schools that
are in the area and if possible the exact number of matric graduates?

6. How will the beneficiaries be connected to employment opportunities after the training? How will the students find computer related jobs? How will the girls derive increased income from the embroidery training?

7. What are the specifications of the computer being bought? Will they
be second hand? How will they be maintained? How is the power supply
in the area? Please, send us company quotations for the computers.

8. Why are the trainers working for six months? Also, how can you make the salary payments sustainable?

9. You've not mentioned buying of tables for the center, is that
because your organization already owns the required number of tables?

10. What will be the basis of admission? Will it be merit based? Will
you have a ration of students and working people/unemployed people?

11. The details of the selection criteria. It would be great if you
could send the format of the registration/application form. Also, we
would like the following information in the form
Name of the student:
Current Occupation:
Current Salary if applicable:
Organization name:
Also, we discussed a database which will track the future performance
of the graduates from the program, how will BDO ensure that.

12. Please send us the number/ percentage of BDO members that will be
part of the first batch of training, also will you be signing a
contract with them to ensure that once the training is over they will
train the next batches.

13. If possible, please work on the micro credit project for the female
graduates of the program and send us a small outline, this is an area
that ADP can work with your organization once the funding for this
project is dispatched.

The response provided by Mr. Gulzar is added as an attachment. Also attached are the Admission form and data base form for the students of the program to assess the impact.

I hope these will cover most of the questions that everyone has been asking.

Regards,
Ayesha
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Ayesha Ahsan Malik



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please find attached the admission form
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Ayesha Ahsan Malik



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: Project Summary Reply with quote

Dear all,

We have found a volunteer to do the site visit in BAM. I am uploading the project summary, which provides all the details of the project. If there is anything that is still missing please post it on the forum and I will try to add that in. Also, I am preparing a list of things that need to be checked during the site visit, I'll also upload that as soon as possible, I would be great if you guys could also give me your input for the checklist.

Regards,
Ayesha
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Tarim Wasim



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting this Ayesha. Here are my questions for the site visit.

1) Is there any interdependency between the computer literacy and sewing centers? Since we have not worked with BDO before, can we consider funding one of them to see how they do before deciding on the other?

2) What kind of previous experience does BDO have in running educational training centers for adults?

3) 60 students a year seems high for an area that has only 300 total graduates. How is BDO comfortable that there is sufficient student demand? What other training options are available for recent graduates?

4) How has BDO gotten comfortable that there will be sufficient jobs for 60 graduates every year? Are their training courses customized to what employers in the area are demanding?

5) How much prep work has already been done in terms of identifying a site, recruiting teachers, crafting a syllabus, assessing student demand etc?

Looking forward to Khurram's feedback from the visit!

Best,
Tarim
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Khurram Jamali



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Folks,

There is a lot of information in this string and I have tried to consolidate most of it into this excel file.

Tarim, most of your questions and questions others might have had are largely answered, although sometimes not accurately.

Anyways highlighted in blue are questions that are yet to be answered and highglighted in yellow are things potentially related to a site visit. There is also a seperate worksheet identifying all the things I hope to accomplish in the site visit.

Please take a moment to review all the Q&A, and the site visit itinerary and provide any other questions or issues that you have now - we will probably only get one chance to talk to them face to face so please take the time to do it over the coming weekend.

best,

Khurram
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Mahjabeen Quadri
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Khurrum,

The excel sheet is very comprehensive and very ambitious. It's a great list and I like the fact that it is very thorough. I would give myself a two day visit period if I were you since you are thinking of investigating Turbat to check out the job demand linkage.

I am guessing you will be taking pictures. When are you planning on going? I have a site visit form which I would like you to test drive if possible. It would be great to get feedback on it from you.

Best of luck!
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Mahjabeen Quadri
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Khurrum,

If you do come across the opportunity to talk to some locals during your visit, it would be great to hear what kind of a reputation BDO has in the area.
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Khurram Jamali



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ladies & Gents.

I am hoping to make a One/two-day visit to Turbat next week inshallah.

Mahjabeen, I liked your comment - I will try to talk to some locals and see if they have anything to say about the organization as well as the type of opportunities available.

Ayesha, please coordinate with BAAM this week and make sure everything that we want to achieve can be achieved.

Depending on what all is on the agenda (pending Ayesha's response,)

I will either reach there next Wednesday at 9:45 AM and leave Thursday at 2:30 pm, or reach there Thursday morning at 8:25 AM and leave the same day at 2:30*. Ayesha, please make sure BAAM is comfortable with both.

I am assuming no one has any other pressing questions for BAAM, or any other aspects of the project to explore in Turbat?

Best,

Khurram

*subject to permission from work, for leave
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zafar jan



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am from kalatuk, Turbat Kech. I have a lot of information about kalatuk and its people . I am a lawyer in Turbat Kech.As I saw about kalatuk then I made myself a member of this forum for clearance and athentication of each and every concenrned and related facts about my village or area of Kalatuk .
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